Missing the Point

James 315 has put up his CSM Manifesto and I tend to think he is someone I more or less agree with, except that he’s using a ton of stick and too little carrot.  Nerf’s don’t sell games, buffs do.  If you want to sell more and bring more people in don’t nerf the undesirable, buff the desirable.

But that doesn’t matter a damn bit.  The problem with James is he doesn’t understand in the slightest what his power as a CSM will be.  CCP doesn’t call in the great and powerful CSM and say “Oh mighty warriors for Truth, Justice and the Almighty ISK!  Speak to us of your wisdom and direct our efforts that we may remold EvE in your image!” it’s a bit more like “Ok guys here’s what we think is a good idea plus something Greyscale thinks isn’t as daft as his normal offerings, look at it for five minutes, talk about it for a bit then lets go get wasted.”

The CSM doesn’t design things, the CSM puts pressure on CCP to do things differently.  Whether or not I believe CCP should redesign the Dominix into something that looks less like a turd and more like something I’d want to fly as much as I’ve actually flown it doesn’t matter unless CCP actually asks “What order do you think the art team should be redesigning ships in” in which case my answer is

  1. Dominix
  2. Dominix Navy Issue
  3. Sin
  4. Aeon
  5. Moa
  6. Eagle
  7. Gila
  8. Bellicose
  9. Huginn
  10. Rapier

And yes I know most of those are hulls shared between multiple ships.  THAT’S THE IDEA!  LET’S GET THESE ABOMINATIONS REDESIGNED AND SOD THE REST!

Back to the topic at hand:  James 315′s Manifesto is a great piece for a position as a dev, or an actual power broker.  The CSM is still struggling to get a meaningful share as a stakeholder, and the only thing they can try to manage is expectations.  That piece does not manage expectations, it inflates them.  He promises to fight for many things, but he’s as well armed as a high school actor playing the Herald in Henry V.  In fact, should he win (and I hope he does, I cannot get enough of the guy) his job will be mostly the same.  Come up, beg Harry to accept a ransom, leave disappointed.  Show up, beg, leave.  Show up, beg for permission to bury his losses, leave depressed.

I’m not hating on James’ ideas, i’m just beating my favorite dead horse.  The CSM doesn’t run shit.  Trumpteting yourself as the man with the plan to solve all highsec problems may or may not have ANY relevance to what CCP needs from CSM this next term.  If the CSM is just working in null, and not really concerned with highsec then some of James’ concepts may be relevant, but the main force will be wasted as CCP doesn’t even ask for input that allows James to bring his research, his experience, and his persuasiveness to bear in any relevant manner.

All that said, as a blogger I sure as hell hope he makes it.  Him on the CSM makes me feel like this:

Also: I promise I’ll blog more.  I have a ridiculous list of drafts to finish, I’m just trying to not rehash so many old ideas and provide you guys with good content.

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An Eve playing Fool who occasionally writes about the shenanigans he and his minions get up to.

Posted on February 6, 2013, in CSM Hijinks, Meta. Bookmark the permalink. 15 Comments.

  1. audrik villalona

    “The problem with James is he doesn’t understand in the slightest what his power as a CSM will be. CCP doesn’t call in the great and powerful CSM and say “Oh mighty warriors for Truth, Justice and the Almighty ISK! Speak to us of your wisdom and direct our efforts that we may remold EvE in your image!””

    The problem with corelin is that he doesn’t understand in the slightest that there are things on minerbumping.com which have been subject to a bit of poetic license.

    Well, no, you probably do, but this only makes your gaffe above a bit harder to understand. It’s not like James315 had a friend, who runs Goonswarm, who used a bit of the same attitude in his CSM run. The whole “act like you have more power in your role than you do, and see how much people will let you get away with, playing a part with a twinkle in your eye” schtick. Actually, that sounds familiar, eh? It’s fun, pretty obvious, and not a bad number…really thought it was the kind of thing that wouldn’t go over your head, tbh.

    Now, if you’re claiming that people who want to really work closely with CCP are the kind of people who will make CSM more important, and therefore the kind of people we should vote for…rather than people who think they should try to influence CCP as a player representative of particular views, then you have a point to debate. I’d caution you to remember that this new narrative about the CSM is coming from 2 parties: CCP devs, and CSM7.CSM7 is reporting on themselves, so take that as you will…I’ll take it as worthless. CCP’s point of view: which would they rather have, 14 self-selected and therefore motivated people willing to work for free as mini-devs for a year, with any of them worth hiring then being hired thereafter, making CSM in effect a 1 year competitively selected unpaid internship–or 14 people coming in as political representatives? I don’t blame them for wanting the former…and by all means, they should set that up, I just don’t want anything to do with it. I just don’t see why my vote should have anything to do with CCP’s new unpaid internship program. I want to vote for someone representing me, otherwise I might as well not vote. IDGAF who CCP’s next interns are, to be perfectly frakkin’ honest. Sooo, to get back to the original point. Voting for James315 isn’t just a vote for his platform, or for stirring theatrical rhetoric over carefully considered boring lists. It’s also a vote for the CSM getting back to being real player representation, and not CCP’s unpaid internship program 2.0. Since you seem to think this new program eating up the CSM is a wonderful thing…let the votes fall where they may.

    • Mittens’ own “’act like you have more power in your role than you do, and see how much people will let you get away with, playing a part with a twinkle in your eye’ schtick” was GREATLY helped by a CCP gaffe so tremendous that it created a real emergency requiring CCP to actually solicit the CSM for useful ideas that would be implemented fast. He would have been another in a long line of forgotten chairs from a CSM standpoint were it not for the disaster that was Incarna. I think and hope James will win a seat, maybe even a golden ticket. I don’t think he’ll be popular when people wave this kind of grandstanding in his face when he cheerfully announces his support for Greyscale’s next bizarre idea.

      • Serpentine Logic

        I find it much more plausible that the CSM took the lead with damage control rather than CCP asking for their help.

      • They didn’t fly them out for an Emergency Summit to burn frequent flyer miles.

      • audrik villalona

        ” He would have been another in a long line of forgotten chairs from a CSM standpoint were it not for the disaster that was Incarna.” And Seleene won’t?

        You seem to be under the impression that I’m arguing that the CSM is incredibly important and influential, or that someone is. I’m not, and I don’t see anyone in the comments saying that, and James315′s blog says that but tongue-in-cheek, so not really. Everyone running for CSM8 that I’m familiar with, i know chiefly from their blogs/forum posts which have including them saying that CSM is relatively powerless. I totally agree with you that the CSM is not that influential–but I don’t agree with your implication that this isn’t already a widely known fact.

        p.s. Greyscale? Really? That’s the best reason to support James315, right there. Someone who’s running for CSM to get an audition to work with CCP, or to hang out with CCP, is exactly the kind of person who would pretend to like Greyscale’s crazy ideas. This is exactly why we should vote in James315 instead of more of those people. Bringing this scenario up is really shooting your own argument in the foot with a 1400mm volley.

    • “14 self-selected and therefore motivated people willing to work for free as mini-devs for a year, with any of them worth hiring then being hired thereafter, making CSM in effect a 1 year competitively selected unpaid internship”

      ….except none of the people getting hired by CCP recently are from the CSM. I can only imagine how foolish Dovinian must feel – he beats out Michael Bolton III for the CSM seat, only to than have to work THROUGH MB3 (now CCP Dolan) as the CSM contact alongside CCP Xhagen.

      Fozzie, Kil2 – neither from the CSM.

      You know what all three of them have in common? They all anchored for Alliance Tournaments, actually. So I think we can much more safely call the Alliance Tournament the grand internship for CCP wannabes.

      • audrik villalona

        “….except none of the people getting hired by CCP recently are from the CSM.”

        Let me redirect you to “with any of them worth hiring then being hired thereafter”

        “worth hiring then being hired thereafter”

        “worth hiring”.

        Rumors are 1 or more people from CSM7 will be hired as well, but those are rumors, and…the key point here…I’m not calling CSM ‘IS’ a hiring fair for CCP, I’m saying we should steer away from it ever being that, but that CSM7 is trying to redefine the CSM’s future role as such. Pointing to this past for historical evidence to refute a claim about what other people are supposedly trying to do in the future is rather quixotic, don’t you think?

  2. I’m curious now: seeing that you consider James’ CSM position as doubly unrealistic, why do you want him to win a seat?

  3. James315 won’t be a CSM, he is an idiot. I wish his blog link would be removed from the blogs I like to read. Promoting his blog hurts the game.

    • Just because one person doesn’t like a blog doesn’t make it a bad blog. To me it’s a great blog because it shows how big a sandcastle one deranged man with a cause can go.

      • I’d say that it also serves as evidence that New Eden is a dystopia that I’d never want to really live in. I give you credit for being able to go through the blog; something in my brain revolted on reading the code they demand others follow, and now I react to the thought of reading its homepage much like being asked to dive into a pool of hydrofluoric acid to see if there’s something valuable at the bottom…

    • Well – personally I don’t like the “Kill the Miners” / “Bottom of the foodchain” attitude and all that goes with it.

      At the same time, James is executing it with style, managing to stay mostly in his Saviour of Hi-Sec character, which is not something you see very often.

      And besides – “the more you know”. Pretending that James and his blog don’t exist won’t make him go away.

  4. hehe, Grande……, personally i think James the fool is an inflated bug, but i guess i see your point, lets get the fool to CSM and enjoy the entertainment afterwards !

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