We’re Not That Bad (For People Who Plan to Shoot You in the Face)

Over at The Ancient Gaming Noob, Wilhelm Arcturus posits that EvE has A Horrible Community, but no more horrible than any other

I’d say we aren’t bad.  We’re just drawn that way.  In actuality EvE has the most helpful community you will ever see.

Wilhelm argues that we will:  Scam you, Steal from you, Suicide Gank you, shoot you for any reason or none at all, taunt you, torment you, and generally treat you with absolute disdain.

Which, of course, we will.

We will also educate you, give you free stuff, provide resources of critical importance to your success, mentor you, train you, and help you to not only meet your goals, but figure out what the hell they should be to begin with.  Often while shooting you in the face.

Look at organizations like EvE University or Brave Newbies.  Find me an equivalent in WoW.  If you’ve never seen how Goons treats their newbros you really should.  What they lack in consistency they make up for in enthusiasm.  Look at resources like EvE-HQ, Evemon, EFT, Aura, The ISK Guide, Dotlan, Evewho, Eve-central.  The list goes on.  Most games have a talent builder, maybe a (Developer provided) character viewer, maybe some 3rd party forums.  A handful of blogs.  The amount of content provided by and for players is astounding.  Especially when you realize that, with 5% of World of Warcraft’s playerbase there is far more in the way of resources, tools, organizations, and general help available to get people playing the game and enjoying it.

Part of that is the fact that there is a demand for it.  EvE wouldn’t exist if not for the efforts of the players to provide essential resources and services to the playerbase.  Frankly if another company left this much undone in their game, the game wouldn’t exist.  EvE needs a lot of this support, not all of it, but most of these resources are offered for no cost.

This isn’t to say that EvE is a united front of hugging and cuddles.  Horrible things do happen, planned with malice aforethought, but that isn’t the community, it’s the game.

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An Eve playing Fool who occasionally writes about the shenanigans he and his minions get up to.

Posted on January 15, 2014, in Meta, Things I think I think. Bookmark the permalink. 7 Comments.

  1. If you have played WoW to any significant degree, I’m not sure how you can claim with a straight face that EVE has more player created tools than WoW. I’d hazard a guess that WoW has more mods created by players than EVE has items. Any standard raiding guild would provide help, education etc etc, only without the awoxing. WoW doesn’t have Brave Newbies and EVE Uni because they obviously don’t need it, it’s not because EVE’s community is so hunky dory and helpful.

    As for your last line, no NPC has ever scammed, ganked or griefed me so not sure what you mean there. Are you seriously disputing that a large portion of EVE’s playerbase gets their jollies from trying to cause grief to other players?

    • Wow has had as many as 12 million subscribers. Eve has never had more than 600k and many of those are alt accounts. That’s way way more productivity per person from eve. And I specifically state that scamming does happen but that that’s the game in eve. The community is much more than that.

  2. Actually, my post posits that EVE has no worse of a community than any other game. Or, at least that the community isn’t what is holding back growth. But I did link to a couple of Blog Banter responses that did make that claim.

  3. “Wilhelm argues that we will: Scam you, Steal from you, Suicide Gank you, shoot you for any reason or none at all, taunt you, torment you, and generally treat you with absolute disdain.”

    I’d argue that if you didn’t have the themepark rails and the game mechanics actually ALLOWED it, people in WoW, GW2, etc, would ‘scam, steal, gank, shoot, taunt, torment, and treat you with disdain’ too.

    What everybody misses is that humans are animals. Animals with tools and a social heirarchy with strict consequences for stepping outside the lines, that mostly prevents people from acting on their baser urges for fear of being shamed, ostracized, imprisoned, or killed. Take away those consequences and that heirarchy, and we’re a bunch of hairless chimps jumping around a big black monolith, screaming and bashing each other with bones.

    EVE takes away those consequences, or at least SEVERELY nerfs them, and the result is what’s expected: in the more rigidly consequential world, most everyone plays along nicely. In the less rigid or completely un-structured worlds (low & null), we jump around, scream, and bash each other with pew-pew.
    My band of apes vs your band of apes, winner take all. That’s what EVE is.

  4. ” Frankly if another company left this much undone in their game, the game wouldn’t exist. EvE needs a lot of this support, not all of it, but most of these resources are offered for no cost.”

    This strikes at the heart of the matter…with so much undone it is simply a matter of percentages… what percentage of new players starting trial accounts actually encounter one of the helpful people with resources or one of the more hurtful variety? Remembering that almost all of the new players will come from environments where the bad things can’t happen to you it takes a lot of good to make up for that one bad encounter.

  5. What you didn’t mention is, I have never in my life listened to such foul language, disparagement of women, homophobic slurs and racial slurs in all my life.

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